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Windsave WS1000 Wind Turbine

Windsave went out of business on 4th September 2009. Unfortunately, this turbine is therefore no longer available. Find out more here.

The roof-mounted Windsave "plug-n-save" turbine system received a lot of publicity after breaking into the mainstream market with a partnership with DIY store B&Q.

But they also attracted a lot of criticism after their marketing exaggerated the outputs that are likely to be generated. (see below)

The current version of this wind turbine is the Windsave WS1200.

More on the B&Q deal
Leaflets in B&Q stores encourage people to "go green without going into the red" and the system has no batteries, no hassle, and sounds like an easy way to save money off your energy bills. It sounds great. But is it really?

The proposition
In their leaflet B&Q say that wind turbines can provide "up to 30% of the electricity your household needs, based on average wind speeds and suitable locations". They also say that installing them is now an "easy and affordable option for almost every home". We think that is misleading. If your particular home is in a large urban area, and especially if you are surrounded by other houses and tall trees, then you're not going to get much power. It may be "easy", it may even be "affordable" (if by that you mean fairly cheap to buy), but if you're not in a windy place the economics and paybacks won't stack up.

Installed by experts
Their £1,498 price includes installation and they say your home will be surveyed first to make sure it is suitable. This is the interesting bit, because amongst all this excitement, there may well be quite a few people placing orders at the stores whose homes are actually entirely unsuitable - structurally, or in terms of wind speeds. What happens in this situation - do you get a refund from B&Q immediately? - it doesn't seem very clear.

Planning permission
They say that unless you live in a conservation area, you're "unlikely to need planning permission". If this were true, of course, it would be great, but the truth is that until the new legislation going through the House of Commons is complete, you will need to make sure with your local planning officer. On the leaflet, Windsave are careful to picture their turbines mounted below roof-line, (which means that under the law you probably won't need planning permission). In reality of course, your turbine needs to be as far above the roof line as you can get it to avoid the turbulence created by the building.

Conclusion
We've got no vested interest in slating Windsave and B&Q. In a way, you've got to admire them for the achievement of breaking into the mainstream market. But we're worried that these machines could disappoint a lot of enthusiastic members of the public, and could damage the reputation of the fledgling micro-renewables industry.

We're keen to hear from anyone who is thinking about, or has bought one of these systems. What have your experiences been - and how is the turbine working so far? Drop us a line!

Link to recent Guardian article about installing a Windsave machine

Newsnight ethical man coverage
Newsnight's 'Ethical Man' (Justin Rowlatt) had various dealings with trying to get a Windsave installed on his London home, and was finally turned down because his site, obviously, was rather unsuitable.

Wind turbines

Swept area

The Windsave has a blade diameter of 1.80 metres. This means it has a swept area, or capture area of 2.54 square metres. This is all important when comparing wind turbines, since it directly relates to the amount of passing wind energy the turbine blades can intercept.

Windsave power output curve

The graph below shows the power produced (in watts) for the Windsave at different wind speeds, based on data supplied by the manufacturer.


The green line shows the actual output that the wind turbine achieves at the given wind speed, according to the manufacturers.The dashed line in the graph shows the theoretical maximum energy that this turbine could extract from the wind, according to Betz's Law (59.3%). At a typical wind speed of 5 m/s, the Windsave is extracting 75 Watts of power from the wind, which is an efficiency of 38.34%.

If you want to install a wind turbine, it is very important to measure how much energy you might produce.
Learn more about the Power Predictor


How efficient is the Windsave?

Wind turbines can only convert some of the energy in the wind into electricity. The graph here shows how efficient the turbine is across the range of wind speeds you might get.

The orange line in the above graph shows the efficiency ranging from 0 to 1. The grey line is the previously mentioned maximum efficiency - The Betz Limit. If this limit is exceeded, the manufacturer's claims are not to be trusted!

While these graphs give an indication of the instantaneous power and efficiencies you might expect from the Windsave turbine, working out annual power production is more complex.

Read more about the Power Predictor

Cost
£1498 including VAT for a complete installed system by their network of engineers. 'Non standard' installations may incur extra cost. You can't DIY.
Our view
It seems a cheap price for an installed machine, but beware - roof mounting can cause a lot of noise and vibration problems, and performance will always be poor on roofs because of turbulent air.
Blade diameter
1.80 metres
Rated output (W)
1000
UK grants available?
Windsave is fully accredited under the Energy Savings Trust grants scheme, so is eligible for a grant of up to 30% off the fully installed cost (exclusive of VAT).
Warranty
Two year warranty, and they say the expected life is 10 years "depending on conditions subjected to."
Manufacturer
Windsave - 0141 420 7400
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written by Wind Option, March 23, 2012
I am not recommending Windsave turbine for home use (especially if you live in an urban area). You can see on my windoption.com why. I suggest you to try something else: there are a lot of small turbines available today.
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written by Chris J Verney, October 21, 2010
WILLING TO PURCHASE ANY OLD WS100 /WS1200 MACHINES FOR SPARES---- WORKING OR NOT CONTACT CHRIS J VERNEY (01271)343377
EMAIL: barumsolarheat@btconnect.com
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written by victoria akuah, August 03, 2010
What does the small bottom on this WS1000 turbine do? It can be pushed in and out; please help!
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written by Davidw, July 29, 2010
My turbine broke down a few months ago 3 days after I applied for the FIT micro generation payments.

At 560 KW over 2 years it has not even paid back it's Planning permission cost far less any contribution to the cost of the turbine.

Generator seems to be broken, I saw a replacement on eBay at £50 but that's just throwing good money after bad as it would be 2 years to pay that back as well if it worked long enough

I need to remove it now but no idea how to start that job.It was bough direct from Windsave so no B&Q to go back to.

So looks like I've been conned as well, shame as you really fell like you are doing the right thing and it's disappointing to be let down like this.

I do know someone who could help fix but again the cost to do so just does not make sense.
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written by erica, June 01, 2010
Like Alexander Mills, I'd like to find out if anyone has set up a company to repair installed Windsave turbines. Ours worked well for 24 months then a few days ago blew a fuse. Tried replacing fuse but it blew again straight away so looks like the controller circuitry is damaged in some way but we don't know where to turn. Ours was bought from B&Q in Bridge of Don Aberdeen.
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written by George Jones, May 26, 2010
Unfortunately Mr David Gordon transferred a lot of funds whilst not paying his former staff to whom he owes thousands, his suppliers who he owes millions to to his new turbine company Windsave Holdings, same kit, same name, same rouge. He is still a member of the BWEA which has to be criticized considering all the lies about performance of the original Windsave. Keep well clear of this company and product that burns more on stand by than it will ever produce in energy. A good example of his lies are the BBC news cast he made stating Windsave had a £19 million South African deal, no such thing, ask his former staff, he was trying to procure money out of the city at that time . Be warned
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written by Alexander Mills, February 04, 2010
Good Day All

I have a windsave turbine that is in need of some attention
the cone needs to be looked at again and the unit emmits a low drumming sound when in operation
I have been onto the windsave webb site and found that the company has been wound up.
I purchased this unit from B & Q in Peterhead
Since the company has been wound up who now looks after the repair of these units
I assume that someone must have taken over the maintenance of the existing units.

My address is
Shalayna
Bissethill
Longhaven
Peterhead
Aberdeenshire
AB42 0PH

Best Regards
Alexander Mills



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written by George Parr, September 23, 2009
windsave = snake oil salesmen... good riddance!
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written by richardm, September 23, 2009
To clarify, as of 4th September 2009, Windsave no longer exists. Find out more here: http://www.bettergeneration.co...xists.html
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written by col, September 23, 2009
Been trying to get in touch with Windsave for months...have they gone bust? They owe me a refund on a gross generation metre!
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